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on spending cuts president obama proposed $1.2 trillion, about equal to what he was asking in revenue. boehner passed draconian spending cuts in the house with no revenue component. on extended unemployment insurance, another check for the president. nada for boehner. on the debt limit president obama proposed a structure similar to what republican leader mitch mcconnell proposed last year. boehner wants to hold the nation's full faith and credit hostage once again to attain even more spending cuts. president obama even threw in an added incentive for republicans, by agreeing to a change in the way social security increases are calculated. no such olive branch was ever extended by republicans. get your cell phones out. i want to know what you think. tonight's question, is john boehner's move to reconvene the house a face-saving political move or a genuine effort to reach a deal? text a for political. text b for genuine effort. to 622639. or go to our blog at.msnbc.com. i'll bring you the results later in the show. joining me now is legendary congressman charlie rangel of new york. con
on spending cuts president obama proposed $1.2 trillion, about equal to what he was asking in revenue. boehner passed draconian spending cuts in the house with no revenue component. on extended unemployment insurance, another check for the president. nada for boehner. on the debt limit president obama proposed a structure similar to what republican leader mitch mcconnell proposed last year. boehner wants to hold the nation's full faith and credit hostage once again to attain even more spending...
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debt obama is running up over the next decade. republicans have several schools. right now they have very little leverage onra this debate over e fiscal cliff because that stuff happens automatically, but the idea of a debt ceiling increasef they told obama more than once if you want a trillion dollars, you will need that eight times in the next decade they will have to cut spending a trillion have to cut spending a trillion eric: i'm a republican, congressman, senator tax pledge to not raise taxes. teo if somebody approaches me and says here is a bill that says if youhi sign this we will cut taxn for 98%, how can you say no to that? my point is this. the administration is winning the war of optics. if they played it this way, do they not win? >> they won the war of optics so far because everything has beene done. done inside closed walls.nd f if c-span, fox are able to videotape the negotiations, the kind of thing we're learning now about obama that i have no interest in cutting spending, just want tax increases. he has been lyin
debt obama is running up over the next decade. republicans have several schools. right now they have very little leverage onra this debate over e fiscal cliff because that stuff happens automatically, but the idea of a debt ceiling increasef they told obama more than once if you want a trillion dollars, you will need that eight times in the next decade they will have to cut spending a trillion have to cut spending a trillion eric: i'm a republican, congressman, senator tax pledge to not raise...
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because of stories like this, that can paint the picture to the voters that obama's not playing ball. >> trying to explain this to somebody from pluto. say in australia now. saying when congress wrote the cliff, defined it, spend cuts, increases on income, tax increase on state. they wrote it up as this horrible thing that nobody would want to face. either side, right? they designed it that way. now they're walking right over that cliff. over niagra falls. explain. >> it's like congress is on pluto and we're all on earth. they say they want deficit reduction. if you go over the cliff, you get deficit reduction, you just don't get it in the responsible, accountable way. it's like chopping off on arm. >> like says i want a shower, i'm going to niagra falls. >> they still can't get it done. we're dysfunctional. no other explanation. >> i think they can stop the roller coaster and make it go. they're doing a dance now because republicans don't want to do something to rates. obama wants to play hardball. but i think they'll have a different argument later in the year. >> i guess both belie
because of stories like this, that can paint the picture to the voters that obama's not playing ball. >> trying to explain this to somebody from pluto. say in australia now. saying when congress wrote the cliff, defined it, spend cuts, increases on income, tax increase on state. they wrote it up as this horrible thing that nobody would want to face. either side, right? they designed it that way. now they're walking right over that cliff. over niagra falls. explain. >> it's like...
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here now is blake zeff, former obama campaign aide and washington editor. robert, have you heard anything in the last couple of hours that suggests to you that somehow by monday mitch mcconnell and harry reid will sing kumbaya, pass something in the senate that also passes the house? >> i'm not so sure they'll be sing kumbaya, but the real story today is that there's movement on capitol hill. reid and mcconnell come out of that white house meeting and they're ready to haggle over some differences. what i expect to come to the floor is what president obama's talking about a 250 threshold for rates, maybe an amt attached to it and maybe have unemployment attached to it, but that's it. that's what the president wants at the end of the day. the question for mccon cell this, can he raise that threshold now at the 11th hour from president obama's $250,000 perhaps to $300,000 or $400,000. >> and just concede on spending cuts. >> at this point the republicans are like a prizefighter on the ropes and they're not in a great negotiating position and the caucus walked
here now is blake zeff, former obama campaign aide and washington editor. robert, have you heard anything in the last couple of hours that suggests to you that somehow by monday mitch mcconnell and harry reid will sing kumbaya, pass something in the senate that also passes the house? >> i'm not so sure they'll be sing kumbaya, but the real story today is that there's movement on capitol hill. reid and mcconnell come out of that white house meeting and they're ready to haggle over some...
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. >> why have you been so consistently supportive of obama? >> i can't even imagine thinking about what would happen to the supreme court if a republican were the president, you know? i mean, citizens united is a horrible thing that people can spend and waste this amount of money on elections? think of all the -- you know, the people that could benefit from that money, you know? >> there have been two elections since i've been in america, there have been two elections where one party has had far more financial firepower than the other. one was here in california with meg whitman, one was nationally, but romney clearly had more money than obama. for most of that campaign. in both cases, the one with the most money lost. >> isn't that great? >> what does that tell you? >> people are getting smarter. i don't like all this amount of money spent on this election. there should be a give -- campaign finance reform is very important. i hope somebody does something about it. you should have a given amount. equal amount. equal air time and that's it. yo
. >> why have you been so consistently supportive of obama? >> i can't even imagine thinking about what would happen to the supreme court if a republican were the president, you know? i mean, citizens united is a horrible thing that people can spend and waste this amount of money on elections? think of all the -- you know, the people that could benefit from that money, you know? >> there have been two elections since i've been in america, there have been two elections where...
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. >> reporter: the weight is excruciating for some and president obama left them $200 billion apart. >> the president was $200 billion higher on revenues and speaker boehner, $200 billion higher on spending cuts. >> if you get 80% of what you want, that's a pretty good day. >> reporter: tough decisions ahead, six days left. >> lawmakers will likely take on spending reform and tax cuts when the debate heats up. >> looks like they will be working over the new year. >>> a note was left by a suspected shooter that killed two firefighters christmas eve in new york. more details on the person already convicted of murder. >> reporter: police say the christmas eve ambush of four volunteer firefighters happened as they fought a massive fire in new york was spilled out in typewritten detail. >> quote i still have to get ready to see how much of the neighborhood i can burn down and do what i like doing best, killing people. >> reporter: authorities say 62-year-old william spangler, who served prison time killing his grandmother more than 30 years ago shot at first responders who arrived at his
. >> reporter: the weight is excruciating for some and president obama left them $200 billion apart. >> the president was $200 billion higher on revenues and speaker boehner, $200 billion higher on spending cuts. >> if you get 80% of what you want, that's a pretty good day. >> reporter: tough decisions ahead, six days left. >> lawmakers will likely take on spending reform and tax cuts when the debate heats up. >> looks like they will be working over the new...
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obama never even put spending cuts on the table. he's putting spending increases on the table for another round of solyndra stimulus spending. he was willing to save money, $1 trillion, but not occupying iraq for the next decade. they kicked him out of the country a little while ago, but he wanted to count that like not continuing the war of 1812 as his budget cut. >> don't you feel though we're at such a fiscal crisis situation that there needs to be compromise on both sides though? there has to be some give to get something done? >> oh, absolutely. look, the republicans passed the ryan plan which saves $6 trillion over the next decade. reforms entitlements. reforms taxes. what we need is some spending restrai restraint. maybe we don't get all $6 trillion that the republicans were tough enough and strong enough and brave enough and courageous enough and serious enough to pass a budget. you talked about harry reid picking on me. harry reid suggesting that i'm the reason they haven't done anything is a little bit silly. he ought to l
obama never even put spending cuts on the table. he's putting spending increases on the table for another round of solyndra stimulus spending. he was willing to save money, $1 trillion, but not occupying iraq for the next decade. they kicked him out of the country a little while ago, but he wanted to count that like not continuing the war of 1812 as his budget cut. >> don't you feel though we're at such a fiscal crisis situation that there needs to be compromise on both sides though?...
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obama to suggest i've cut a trillion in spending because he saved money on the wars in afghanistan is gimmicks. they a work. >> i have to be honest, it's both sides. it strikes me these lawmakers on either side don't have a real fix to what we're looking at, the national debt, screaming out of control. we're going to exceed that limit on monday night. >> i wouldn't disagree but look at the facts. we did have a republican controlled congress that passed a bill. if reid didn't like the bill, let it go for debate. let his senate vote it down and say no, we're not going to accept these conditions. >> let me ask you this, then. interesting question. president obama gets his own deal, sends it over to the republicans, they have the same dilemma. >> well, they may. but i think you would at least see a fair dee beat. look, i think the average american realizes we have to cut spending. you know the numbers. >> craig, i have to ask you -- i have to stop you. i don't think they do. we ran a package yesterday, we sent the producer out on the street, showed people how much more they would pay in t
obama to suggest i've cut a trillion in spending because he saved money on the wars in afghanistan is gimmicks. they a work. >> i have to be honest, it's both sides. it strikes me these lawmakers on either side don't have a real fix to what we're looking at, the national debt, screaming out of control. we're going to exceed that limit on monday night. >> i wouldn't disagree but look at the facts. we did have a republican controlled congress that passed a bill. if reid didn't like...
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adam: we will. >> 5:45 president obama deliver as statement here at the white house. as far as spending cuts are concerned, you see this argument, you typically hear republicans say, government spending doesn't create jobs. however when it comes to a number of defense cuts when it hits in their districts a number of them, if it hits companies in their districts well you have to stop defense cuts using an economic argument. when you talk about the $94 billion, well, yes there are economic effects that will be felt, the $94 billion in cuts down as sequester, you have to put that in perspective the sandy supplemental bill started out $60 billion. one storm could wipe out all the savings or. adam: that sandy supplemental bill is 60 billion, 45 billion according to taxpayers for common sense is stimulus spending that doesn't involve the hurricane. dan, i will come back to you after we listen to sound bite from harry reid, senate majority leader commenting on the negotiations today. here is what he said. >> okay. we had a long meeting in the white house. it was very constru
adam: we will. >> 5:45 president obama deliver as statement here at the white house. as far as spending cuts are concerned, you see this argument, you typically hear republicans say, government spending doesn't create jobs. however when it comes to a number of defense cuts when it hits in their districts a number of them, if it hits companies in their districts well you have to stop defense cuts using an economic argument. when you talk about the $94 billion, well, yes there are economic...
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and don't forget, these are the bush-obama tax cuts. all the president needs to do is actually propose some spending cuts. i think with geithner's admission that the debt ceiling will be burst through on december 31st clearly shows it's a problem. it's time to cut spending, not for now but future generations that have to pay this off. >> it seems to me, congressman gohmert, the bush tax cuts have been law since 2001-2003. it seems if the president doesn't want to go over the fiscal cliff, you guys pass the bill, harry reid could do something he hasn't done in over three years, pass it in the senate, give it to the president, and nobody's taxes are going to go up, crisis averred and then they can spend team after the new year negotiating tax reform, entitlement reform, living within our means. why don't they just do that? >> well, they could, but they want to demonize the house. they want to pontiff indicate without actually doing anything in the way of legislating. sean, if you look back at the history, the deficit ceiling bill back a y
and don't forget, these are the bush-obama tax cuts. all the president needs to do is actually propose some spending cuts. i think with geithner's admission that the debt ceiling will be burst through on december 31st clearly shows it's a problem. it's time to cut spending, not for now but future generations that have to pay this off. >> it seems to me, congressman gohmert, the bush tax cuts have been law since 2001-2003. it seems if the president doesn't want to go over the fiscal cliff,...
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united stat states -- spending cuts we are enacted by the house they voted for. >> the obama deficit. >> you cannot point to democrats and say you're not supporting spending cuts, rite in the president's offer. what you don't understand, i think, is that boehner won't bring this stuff to a vote because he knows the majority of house members, democrats and republicans combined actually want to support a deal as those 200 plus ceos want. what he's doing is political self-preservation, he thinks, because if he doesn't get a majority of his majority under the old gingrich practice, he thinks he will lose his speakership. the country should come first and boehner should bring it to a vote and if he doesn't, he should not be speaker of the house. >> where is the hunt over the next few days for compromise. if you think it's doable, maybe david won't be happy with it but happy enough. >> probably exactly what we've always been talking about, taxes for $250,000 and above and serious spending cuts and any promise on either the debt ceiling and/or medicare. >> do we get a promise on the debt ce
united stat states -- spending cuts we are enacted by the house they voted for. >> the obama deficit. >> you cannot point to democrats and say you're not supporting spending cuts, rite in the president's offer. what you don't understand, i think, is that boehner won't bring this stuff to a vote because he knows the majority of house members, democrats and republicans combined actually want to support a deal as those 200 plus ceos want. what he's doing is political self-preservation,...
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president obama ran not on spending cuts, but on tax increases for the wealthy. it's something that's going to happen next monday anyway or tuesday regardless of whether the president does anything or there's a deal or not. because it's just going to expire. >> he's known that all along. >> but the republicans ran on spending cuts. so they're the ones that ran on this. why don't they put up their spending cuts? the president didn't run on that. and the irony is when he did mention spending cuts, $716 billion in medicare cuts during the campaign, mitt romney and paul ryan and all the republicans, who wanted to do the exact same thing he did, they jumped on his case for proposing cuts to medicare. so how can you negotiate with a party that isn't serious about its own caucus, and isn't capable of controlling them and doesn't have a serious plan for dealing with spending cuts on its own, because it's afraid to take the heat? nobody wants to cut spending. let's just admit that. but if we're going to do it, somebody's got to take the heat and the republicans have been
president obama ran not on spending cuts, but on tax increases for the wealthy. it's something that's going to happen next monday anyway or tuesday regardless of whether the president does anything or there's a deal or not. because it's just going to expire. >> he's known that all along. >> but the republicans ran on spending cuts. so they're the ones that ran on this. why don't they put up their spending cuts? the president didn't run on that. and the irony is when he did mention...
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. >> president obama says slashing the deficit is a priority but so is more spend oggen certain things. we'll talk with two republican lawmakers about the president's second-term agenda next. to the best vacation spot on earth. (all) the gulf! it doesn't matter which of our great states folks visit. mississippi, alabama, louisiana or florida, they're gonna love it. shaul, your alabama hospitality is incredible. thanks, karen. love your mississippi outdoors. i vote for your florida beaches, dawn. bill, this louisiana seafood is delicious. we're having such a great year on the gulf, we've decided to put aside our rivalry. now is the perfect time to visit anyone of our states. the beaches and waters couldn't be more beautiful. take a boat ride, go fishing or just lay in the sun. we've got coastline to explore and wildlife to photograph. and there's world class dining with our world famous seafood. so for a great vacation this year, come to the gulf. its all fabulous but i give florida the edge. right after mississippi. you mean alabama. say louisiana or there's no dessert. this invitation
. >> president obama says slashing the deficit is a priority but so is more spend oggen certain things. we'll talk with two republican lawmakers about the president's second-term agenda next. to the best vacation spot on earth. (all) the gulf! it doesn't matter which of our great states folks visit. mississippi, alabama, louisiana or florida, they're gonna love it. shaul, your alabama hospitality is incredible. thanks, karen. love your mississippi outdoors. i vote for your florida...
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they could have had the more popular message about cutting deficit spending, right? >> the truth is they would have been better taking the deal that john boehner negotiated with president obama way back when. they missed the moment. i think the real fear is who pays the price. i think the republicans has a point but will pay the price and the real people that will pay the price are the americans, the middle class. it is crazy to put us through this. >> all of the focus on tax cuts but the revenue from increases the taxes on the wealthy will barely make a dment the deficit to say nothing of the trillions of dollars in debt we are talking about. it is a symbolic fight the president is determined to win off of his re-election. >> it is not symbolic. there will be money raised if the tacks for the top 2% are left to expire. let me bring up a point. no democrat and certainly not this president, has said there should be no spending cuts. on the contrary. this president has put on the table quite an extraordinary amount of spending cuts to the sh grin of many democrats, i m
they could have had the more popular message about cutting deficit spending, right? >> the truth is they would have been better taking the deal that john boehner negotiated with president obama way back when. they missed the moment. i think the real fear is who pays the price. i think the republicans has a point but will pay the price and the real people that will pay the price are the americans, the middle class. it is crazy to put us through this. >> all of the focus on tax cuts...
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if we do get downgraded because there's not enough spending. in the long-term, the economy will suffer, but republicans may be able to say we tried to stop this, this is obama's deal, now he owns it. >> but they need to do better with communicating that exact message, really, if you look at what's going on here, obama has been persistent and bullheaded saying, it's my way or no way and i think he can wants to go over the cliff to demonize and at the same time bullying the middle class. >> and in the short-term run, that it is inevitable that the democrats will say you guys, you republicans, you put us offer the cliff because you were defending your rich millionaire friends, it's inevitable they will say that and that's a winning political line in the short-run. and over that, however, and you ask where is the leadership from this president, where is it? >> and here, stuart. >> doesn't he agree with you. >> americans with funny accent. let me ask you this question, explain to me and to the american people out there right now why you need to prot
if we do get downgraded because there's not enough spending. in the long-term, the economy will suffer, but republicans may be able to say we tried to stop this, this is obama's deal, now he owns it. >> but they need to do better with communicating that exact message, really, if you look at what's going on here, obama has been persistent and bullheaded saying, it's my way or no way and i think he can wants to go over the cliff to demonize and at the same time bullying the middle class....
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all of the spending will have to be accounted for somehow. the stage is set for an ugly plan. >> only in america! trivia time. we ask before bernie sanders, who is the last self-identified socialist to serve in congress? the answer is victor berger who served in the late 1920s. if you got that correct, got blegod bless you. you should be in the university system somehow. we'll be right back. so, this board gives me rates for progressive direct and other car insurance companies? yes. but you're progressive, and they're them. yes. but they're here. yes. are you...? there? yes. no. are you them? i'm me. but those rates are for... them. so them are here. yes! you want to run through it again? no, i'm good. you got it? yes. rates for us and them -- now that's progressive. call or click today. and you wouldn't have it any other way.e. but your erectile dysfunction - you know, that could be a question of blood flow. cialis tadalafil for daily use helps you be ready anytime the moment's right. you can be more confident in your ability to be ready. an
all of the spending will have to be accounted for somehow. the stage is set for an ugly plan. >> only in america! trivia time. we ask before bernie sanders, who is the last self-identified socialist to serve in congress? the answer is victor berger who served in the late 1920s. if you got that correct, got blegod bless you. you should be in the university system somehow. we'll be right back. so, this board gives me rates for progressive direct and other car insurance companies? yes. but...
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the president on entitlement spending. speaker boehner on upper income tax rates. speaker boehner, though, could not get conservative republicans to go along and seemed at a loss on what to do next. >> we can't cut our way to prosperity. we need real economic growth. many of us believe on both sides of the aisle on the fundamental reform of the tax code will help us get our economy moving faster and put more americans back to work. and more americans on the tax rolls. how we get there, god only knows. >> president obama, meantime, seemed to lose patience. no sign he's eager to go off the cliff, but he's also not ready, either, to get in his words, what he'll get for free when the bush tax cuts expire tuesday morning. democratic lawmakers, though, are more willing to let that and everything else happen and both sides are still pointing fingers. take a look at mitch mcconnell and harry reid just this afternoon. >> you'll excuse me if i'm a little frustrated at the situation. >> republican leader finds himself frustrated. >> i say i'm frustrated because we have been a
the president on entitlement spending. speaker boehner on upper income tax rates. speaker boehner, though, could not get conservative republicans to go along and seemed at a loss on what to do next. >> we can't cut our way to prosperity. we need real economic growth. many of us believe on both sides of the aisle on the fundamental reform of the tax code will help us get our economy moving faster and put more americans back to work. and more americans on the tax rolls. how we get there,...
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and compromise includes spending cuts and tax hikes. >> can i get a word in, guys? >> brent, the republicans passed a bill. the republicans pass it had. senate democrats haven't passed a bill in 1300 days. you have to be kidding me. >> it's much easier for the democrats to sit and file their nails and say those awful republicans. look at those awful republicans go. the democrats haven't done anything. now what is the opposition to this super tax on the greedy rich? well, the republicans have argued for 20, 30, 40, 50 years that high taxes stifle economic growth. president obama said two years ago when he didn't do this two years ago, he said the wrong thing to do in a bad economy is to raise taxes. now suddenly both sides are considering doing exactly that. you've got three different studies of that shown that if you raise these taxes, you are going to kill somewhere between $700,000 and -- 700,000 and 1.1 million jobs. but all that not be standing, it has nothing to do with the issue. the issue has been, will continue to be, spending. >> okay. >> that's what no one
and compromise includes spending cuts and tax hikes. >> can i get a word in, guys? >> brent, the republicans passed a bill. the republicans pass it had. senate democrats haven't passed a bill in 1300 days. you have to be kidding me. >> it's much easier for the democrats to sit and file their nails and say those awful republicans. look at those awful republicans go. the democrats haven't done anything. now what is the opposition to this super tax on the greedy rich? well, the...
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. >> they could have had a more popular message about cutting deficit spending, right? >> the truth is they would have been a lot better off taking the deal that boehner was negotiating with president obama way back when. it was a better deal all the way around. they missed that moment. but i think the real thing is who pays the price. the people who are going to pay the price are the americans, the middle class. this is crazy. it's nuts to be putting us through this. >> all of the focus on tax cuts. but the revenue from increasing the taxes on the wealthy will barely make a debt in the deficit to say nothing of the trillions in debt we're talking about. is this just a symbolic fight this the president is determined to win off his election? >> it's not symbolic. there will be money raised if the taxes are left to expire. but let me just bring up a point. no democrat and certainly not this president has said there should be no spending cuts. on the contrary this president has put on the table an extraordinary amount of spending cuts to the chagrin of many democrats i mig
. >> they could have had a more popular message about cutting deficit spending, right? >> the truth is they would have been a lot better off taking the deal that boehner was negotiating with president obama way back when. it was a better deal all the way around. they missed that moment. but i think the real thing is who pays the price. the people who are going to pay the price are the americans, the middle class. this is crazy. it's nuts to be putting us through this. >> all...
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barack obama ran also on that. he said he would restore fiscal responsibility and do something about the spending. this is a guy who was giving us trillion dollar deficits, both sides are being decided, and start talking about this. stuart: what is the media doing? >> typically cobbling barack obama. this guy is filing his nails while the republicans twist themselves into knots. the media are giving obama a complete pass on this one and not holding his feet to the fire on anything and keeping the gun fire on the republicans at all times. the media have been just about as silent as anyone else. all the media accept for stuart varney. stuart: flattery is the fondest milk in television. i have a prediction from you. i personally think there will be some kind of awful last-minute deal, tax the rich, don't cut spending, ignore the debt. i think that will happen. what is your prediction? >> i will put my kids and your prediction. republicans will take another step, go back another five to ten yards on the football field
barack obama ran also on that. he said he would restore fiscal responsibility and do something about the spending. this is a guy who was giving us trillion dollar deficits, both sides are being decided, and start talking about this. stuart: what is the media doing? >> typically cobbling barack obama. this guy is filing his nails while the republicans twist themselves into knots. the media are giving obama a complete pass on this one and not holding his feet to the fire on anything and...
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president obama welcomes congressional leaders at the top of the hour. will come up with something to avoid automatic spending cuts? that go into effect in a couple days? rich edson is in washington d.c. with the latest. rich: it is a last-ditch attempt between top democrat and republican in the house and senate and the obama administration. aids describing a potential path forward, smaller compromise involving an extension of tax rates for income less than $500,000, extended unemployment benefits, measures to assure tens of millions of americans avoid the alternative minimum tax, other items, congress would figure the rest out next year under such a scenario but that is not an official proposal, a deal that aides say could have house and senate if democrat and republican leaders agreed to it. currently there is no agreement, just lawmakers assigning blame. >> millions of americans are out there struggling and certainly they deserve congress that will avoid going over the fiscal cliff. which is why the president has been working to bring the leaders toge
president obama welcomes congressional leaders at the top of the hour. will come up with something to avoid automatic spending cuts? that go into effect in a couple days? rich edson is in washington d.c. with the latest. rich: it is a last-ditch attempt between top democrat and republican in the house and senate and the obama administration. aids describing a potential path forward, smaller compromise involving an extension of tax rates for income less than $500,000, extended unemployment...
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he said 800 billion is what he said during the election. >> and 6 trillion. >> yeah. >> spending is not the problem. >> no, i agree with you. >> i'm sorry. >> revenue is not the problem. >> yeah. >> it's been a long week, hasn't it? >> good luck on sunday, let's see what happens and we'll have you back afterward and see what's going on. >> let's get the market reaction. eamon hinted at this, and capital growth management and brian kelly, the co-founder of shelter harbor capital. can we bring up that chart again, guys so people can understand what happened today? we are showing you a one-day chart of both the dow, all three, the dow, the nasdaq and the s&p. this is a one-day chart. so harry reid comes out and says, folks, we are going off the cliff and the markets start to tumble and tumble and tumble and tumble and then 3:00 in the afternoon you see the sharp rise up and the house is coming back the in the session on sunday night to do something. we don't know what and the markets managed to get back to flat. so ken heebner, the market seemed to care about the deal getting done. is it g
he said 800 billion is what he said during the election. >> and 6 trillion. >> yeah. >> spending is not the problem. >> no, i agree with you. >> i'm sorry. >> revenue is not the problem. >> yeah. >> it's been a long week, hasn't it? >> good luck on sunday, let's see what happens and we'll have you back afterward and see what's going on. >> let's get the market reaction. eamon hinted at this, and capital growth management and brian...
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these are automatic spending cuts. the obama doesn't want them. this is leverage point for republicans. adam: you're an economist. we're journalists and we're only good for free drinks. are we going over the cliff? >> i think it is undeniable the economy falls into recession if we do go over the fiscal cliff. even chairman bernanke was very clear on this point telling everyone if the economy goes over the fiscal cliff even the fed itself does not have you have enough tools to go over against the impact. in terms of lack of investment and in terms of businesses closing their doors and remaining sidelined still for quarters going into 2013. adam: well, lindsey, you again are an economist. which is worse, the spending cut from the sequestration or the tax increase? which hits us, 310 million of us are american citizens. which hits us worse? >> well generally when we talk about the difference between spending cuts or tax increases you have to think of taxes as having 1 1/2 times the impact because what that does, there is a trickle down, in fact. we p
these are automatic spending cuts. the obama doesn't want them. this is leverage point for republicans. adam: you're an economist. we're journalists and we're only good for free drinks. are we going over the cliff? >> i think it is undeniable the economy falls into recession if we do go over the fiscal cliff. even chairman bernanke was very clear on this point telling everyone if the economy goes over the fiscal cliff even the fed itself does not have you have enough tools to go over...
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. >>> it is back to work for president obama. he's cutting his vacation short. time is running out to avoid the big tax increases, the spending cuts that everybody is asking can we make a deal. [ female announcer ] almost nothing can dampen a baby's mood, when he wakes up dry in pampers. unlike other diapers, pampers has 3 absorbent layers, for up to 12 hours of protection overnight, and more beautiful mornings. ♪ pampers. peaceful nights. playful days. ♪ you make me happy when skies are gray ♪ [ female announcer ] you know exactly what it takes to make them feel better. ♪ you make me happy [ female announcer ] that's why you choose children's tylenol. the same brand your mom trusted for you when you were young. ♪ how much i love you [ humming ] [ female announcer ] children's tylenol, the #1 brand of pain and fever relief recommended by pediatricians and used by moms cade after decade. [ humming ] >>> we're just five days away from the tax hikes, the spending cuts known as the fiscal cliff, but we are four days away from another financial challenge. t
. >>> it is back to work for president obama. he's cutting his vacation short. time is running out to avoid the big tax increases, the spending cuts that everybody is asking can we make a deal. [ female announcer ] almost nothing can dampen a baby's mood, when he wakes up dry in pampers. unlike other diapers, pampers has 3 absorbent layers, for up to 12 hours of protection overnight, and more beautiful mornings. ♪ pampers. peaceful nights. playful days. ♪ you make me happy when...
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. >> meanwhile, president obama is spending christmas in hawaii where he and the first lady attended the holiday memorial service for the late u.s. senator from daniel inouye. >> white house correspondent kristen welker. kristen, obviously they always say the white house travels with the president wherever he is. that's where the white house is. the president, though, is enjoying vacation, but still continuing to keep tabs on the fiscal cliff negotiations, correct? >> he is. white house officials describe this as a working vacation. i think there have been maybe a few conversations at the staff level about the fiscal cliff, but the reality is, thomas, the negotiations have largely stalled. you remember president obama on friday urging lawmakers to take this time off to really cool off, come back later this week with a appreciate perspective. i think you're going to see the hard work, the real negotiations resume when lawmakers go back into session after the christmas holiday. now, last week it seemed as though president obama, house speaker john boehner were close to getting some sor
. >> meanwhile, president obama is spending christmas in hawaii where he and the first lady attended the holiday memorial service for the late u.s. senator from daniel inouye. >> white house correspondent kristen welker. kristen, obviously they always say the white house travels with the president wherever he is. that's where the white house is. the president, though, is enjoying vacation, but still continuing to keep tabs on the fiscal cliff negotiations, correct? >> he is....
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. >> they challenge the law meaning obama care will be a hot button issue in 2013. as 2012 winds down it resembles 2011 with republicans locked in another show down over taxes and spending with the average family caught in the middle. in washington craig boswell fox news. >>> 18 minutes after the top of the hour. will you feel safer in 2013. the top five threats we need to watch out for in the new year. >> the top spot you don't want to have it is the worst movie of the year. we will tell you which one it was. hopefully you didn't see it. >> welcome back. it is 21 after the top of the hour. here are quick headlines for you. an f-16 fighter jet similar to this one crashed during a training mission in california. the luckily the pilot was able to eject before the jet crashed in owens valley 100 miles east of fresno. he is said to be okay. no one rauz hurt. the cause is unkerr investigation. >> sandy hook elementary students have been off of school since the tragic. in the meap time the commu -- m the community is helping them to get out of the house. there have been f
. >> they challenge the law meaning obama care will be a hot button issue in 2013. as 2012 winds down it resembles 2011 with republicans locked in another show down over taxes and spending with the average family caught in the middle. in washington craig boswell fox news. >>> 18 minutes after the top of the hour. will you feel safer in 2013. the top five threats we need to watch out for in the new year. >> the top spot you don't want to have it is the worst movie of the...
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cuts but it would not touch president obama does think this plan would pass both the house and senate if it got an up or down vote. he told the senate they had a day or two to make a deal on their own. if they're not making any progress he wants both chambers to bring this plan forward for up or down vote. speaker boehner apparently was noncommittal to that idea. it's important to point out that the debt ceiling is not a part of this plan c. that is still going to have to be dealt with separately later on. >> juliet: thank you, peter. >> dave: moderately optimistic. >> juliet: we are moderately optimistic about the weather. one-two punch comes as people are still digging out from past week's snow storm. >> clayton: preparation press still underway. stacking up on salt and sand. they have been presalting some of the roadways. >> dave: i hope so. maria my lien in for for rick this morning. good morning, maria. >> good morning. good to see you guys. good morning, everybody. we have another storm system first alert forecast to bring more snow to the northeast today. that's just after on t
cuts but it would not touch president obama does think this plan would pass both the house and senate if it got an up or down vote. he told the senate they had a day or two to make a deal on their own. if they're not making any progress he wants both chambers to bring this plan forward for up or down vote. speaker boehner apparently was noncommittal to that idea. it's important to point out that the debt ceiling is not a part of this plan c. that is still going to have to be dealt with...
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president obama initially suggested $250,000 or above should see an increase. that number will probably be maybe 400,000, 500 thousands, but republicans want to see spending cuts. today they talked about changing the way social security benefits would be administered over time and save money, entitlement reform. that's off the table so republicans are saying where are we going off spending cuts? there's a hangup there. democrats on the other hand looking for a way to keep taxes for high for the higher income earners. instead of $400,000 they would like to lower that to $250,000 or above, so there's a sticking point on taxes and spending. but as you said, all eyes should be on the senate. the senate needs to pass a bill and it's run by democrats. they're really fighting amongst themself now to agree on a measure they can pass. literally by tomorrow, by new year's eve, in order to send something to the house in time to avert the fiscal cliff. >> you're the expert on this. you work on the hill every day. procedurally we've gotten past the point to get anything pas
president obama initially suggested $250,000 or above should see an increase. that number will probably be maybe 400,000, 500 thousands, but republicans want to see spending cuts. today they talked about changing the way social security benefits would be administered over time and save money, entitlement reform. that's off the table so republicans are saying where are we going off spending cuts? there's a hangup there. democrats on the other hand looking for a way to keep taxes for high for the...
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president obama says he is optimistic they will come to an agreement if not, deep spending cuts will kick in for nearly every american. helpis one step closer for super storm sandy. senate passing a bill to provide $60.4 billion in aid for states impacted by the disaster. bill now has to pass through the house of representatives. hurricane sandy was blamed for at least 120 deaths in areas from north carolina to maine, new york, new jersey and connecticut. i'm arthel nevil, now back to fox news watch. for all the latest log on to foxnews.com. i'll see you right here at 4:00 p.m. eastern alongside gregg jarrett. >> we will make sure that f there is anything is needed we get it out immediately. i want to thank you for everything you've done and we appreciate that. >> connecticut state police lieutenant paul advance talking to people. the killer committed suicide as police closed in on him. one of many tragedies that received major attention this year. it's a challenge for the media in covering a story like newtown. juan, as you know well know, talking about it is tough for any parent? >
president obama says he is optimistic they will come to an agreement if not, deep spending cuts will kick in for nearly every american. helpis one step closer for super storm sandy. senate passing a bill to provide $60.4 billion in aid for states impacted by the disaster. bill now has to pass through the house of representatives. hurricane sandy was blamed for at least 120 deaths in areas from north carolina to maine, new york, new jersey and connecticut. i'm arthel nevil, now back to fox news...
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in spending cuts and tax increases. speaker boehner even had to withdraw the so-called plan b measure in the house that would raise taxes on millionaires, but keep them low for everyone else because there just wasn't enough gop support in the house. but even after all that, the speaker says this weekend he thought lawmakers could still steer us away from the fiscal cliff. >> of course, hope springs eternal. and i know we have it in us to come together and do the right thing. we'll continue to work with our colleagues and the congress and the white house on a plan that forgets families and businesses. >> we don't know if president obama will make it back to hawaii to finish his family vacation. we're told it all depends how negotiations go. back to you. >> gretchen: peter doocy live in d.c thanks very much. >> rick: are you ready for your taxes to go up? we've been talking about the fiscal cliff and we know that potential huge tax increase for us. even if they come up with a way, your taxes are going up. >> clayton: beca
in spending cuts and tax increases. speaker boehner even had to withdraw the so-called plan b measure in the house that would raise taxes on millionaires, but keep them low for everyone else because there just wasn't enough gop support in the house. but even after all that, the speaker says this weekend he thought lawmakers could still steer us away from the fiscal cliff. >> of course, hope springs eternal. and i know we have it in us to come together and do the right thing. we'll...
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it may take up president obama's bare bones stopgap measure. that plan would block tax hikes for those earning $250,000. it would extend unemployment benefits to 2 million americans and put off spending cuts until the new year brings a new congress. our expert on all matters relating to the fiscal cliff is dana bash. she joins me now from washington. dana, great to see you again. tell me does even a band-aid approach work? >> it's going to be tough. this is all math. but it really has to do with the math with regard to votes. and democrats especially who i'm talking to in the senate which is probably where this will originate, the reality is that democrats don't hold a very big majority. her going to need to have a handful of republicans to cross party lines and vote with them on the whole concept of raising any taxes. especially what the president wants which is something that is raising taxes on all americans making more than $250,000. that's the senate. never mind the house, which of course, made clear to the house speaker that they won't ev
it may take up president obama's bare bones stopgap measure. that plan would block tax hikes for those earning $250,000. it would extend unemployment benefits to 2 million americans and put off spending cuts until the new year brings a new congress. our expert on all matters relating to the fiscal cliff is dana bash. she joins me now from washington. dana, great to see you again. tell me does even a band-aid approach work? >> it's going to be tough. this is all math. but it really has to...
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food stamps, children's health care, medicaid, and obama said, no, if we're going to cut spending, we're going to protect the most vul nebl. protecting the most vulnerable takes it away and all that's left is cutting taxes. if the goal is to reduce the deficit, their goal of cutting taxes is not relevant to that goal so there's no overlap of potential agreement here. that's why there's no deal. >> let's take a listen to a very conservative retiring senator said, soon to be former senator joe lieberman, who is respected and seen as a deal maker. what we need right now is a deal. let's take a listen to something he just said. >> if we allow that to happen, it will be the most colossal, consequential act of congressional irresponsibility in a long time, maybe ever in american history. >> joy, i think what he's saying there and going over the cliff is not that this would be the worst thing congress has done on an objective scale, but the notion of doing something so bad for no reason is pretty frustrating, isn't it? >> i disagree with his characterization it would be the most irresponsible t
food stamps, children's health care, medicaid, and obama said, no, if we're going to cut spending, we're going to protect the most vul nebl. protecting the most vulnerable takes it away and all that's left is cutting taxes. if the goal is to reduce the deficit, their goal of cutting taxes is not relevant to that goal so there's no overlap of potential agreement here. that's why there's no deal. >> let's take a listen to a very conservative retiring senator said, soon to be former senator...
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president obama continues his secret drone wars. we spend the hour looking back at the moment and movements that shaped 2012. >> democratic congresswoman gabrielle giffords has announced she will step down this week. she was shot in the head last year in a shooting spree that left six people dead in tucson. >> thank you for your prayers and for giving me the time to recover. i have more work to do on my recovery, so i will do what is best for arizona. i will step down this week. >> iraqis are voicing outrage over the sentencing of the last marines charged in the 2005 massacre of 25 civilians. on tuesday, frank woodrich received no jail time. >> i was expecting the american courts would sentence the person to life in prison. he should appear and confessed to the world that he committed these crimes so that america could show itself as democratic and fair. >> in a dramatic scene yesterday on capitol hill, several democrats walked out of congressional hearings on the contraception rule. carol maloney of new york criticized the panel at
president obama continues his secret drone wars. we spend the hour looking back at the moment and movements that shaped 2012. >> democratic congresswoman gabrielle giffords has announced she will step down this week. she was shot in the head last year in a shooting spree that left six people dead in tucson. >> thank you for your prayers and for giving me the time to recover. i have more work to do on my recovery, so i will do what is best for arizona. i will step down this week....
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and i think that president obama struck it perform. he hasn't offered a whole lot and not we're only talking about tax increases, no talk about what will really matter, which is getting spending under control, entitlement programs, social security and medicare. nobody is talking about that and kicked the can down the road and only talking about taxes which will do nothing to decrease the deficit. >> juliet: thank you for joining us and waking up at the bright and early hour of 6:10 a.m. >> clayton: thanks, curtis. let's check with maria molina, another snowstorm in ohio and east and some places in southern new england got up to a foot of snow. >> dave: and drivers be warned, five people hurt in new hampshire after a 20-car pileup and some airports saw slays and a plane taken off in sheing slid off the runway, and stuck in a snow bank, 6 6 on board. no one was hurt. >> juliet: for more on the conditions as mr. clayton morris said, maria molina. i was saddened not to see a white new years, pre-new years. >> we didn't see it accumulate in
and i think that president obama struck it perform. he hasn't offered a whole lot and not we're only talking about tax increases, no talk about what will really matter, which is getting spending under control, entitlement programs, social security and medicare. nobody is talking about that and kicked the can down the road and only talking about taxes which will do nothing to decrease the deficit. >> juliet: thank you for joining us and waking up at the bright and early hour of 6:10 a.m....
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but the other big obama prize is no spending cuts. i mean, a few republicans are going to give in on this position you have held for decades, what are you going to get in return for? remember that great "wall street journal" article where john boehner says, i'm putting all this revenue on the table. what am i going to get? barak obama says, you get nothing. i get it for free. that's what happened. >> brian: that's what happened so far. it's amazing because if the president actually wanted to balance the budget, he would be doing cuts. it doesn't seem like he's playing for the same goal as the average american, politics aside. >> we have one side that wants higher taxes and one side that wants lower spending. they're banging into each other. >> brian: thanks for coming in. >> thank you. >> steve: happy new year. >> brian: straight ahead, president obama wanted congress to get raises. but most americans think they're doing a very bad job. will lawmakers see more money in their paychecks? there is an update. >> steve: kind of a diplomay
but the other big obama prize is no spending cuts. i mean, a few republicans are going to give in on this position you have held for decades, what are you going to get in return for? remember that great "wall street journal" article where john boehner says, i'm putting all this revenue on the table. what am i going to get? barak obama says, you get nothing. i get it for free. that's what happened. >> brian: that's what happened so far. it's amazing because if the president...
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and so this is not going to be simply a matter of me spending political capital. >> president obama on "meet the press" over the weekend. in the wake of the newtown, connecticut school shootings. the president insisted he wants new gun control legislation passed in the next year. he put vice president biden in charge of that task force to make recommendations to him. democratic congressman john yarmouth of kentucky joins us now and he sits on the budget oversight and government reform and ethics committees. good to see you. >> good to be with you. >> what is your thought on what the president said on "meet the press?" >> i think he is absolutely right. what sets this apart, however, is that we do have presidential leadership on this issue. that is something that hasn't been there during past attempts to do something to curb gun violence. i am thrilled about that. i agree with him totally. i've said many times the public has to keep the drum beat going because unless there is a perceived cost to many of the politicians up here not much is likely to happen. we have to make sure the publi
and so this is not going to be simply a matter of me spending political capital. >> president obama on "meet the press" over the weekend. in the wake of the newtown, connecticut school shootings. the president insisted he wants new gun control legislation passed in the next year. he put vice president biden in charge of that task force to make recommendations to him. democratic congressman john yarmouth of kentucky joins us now and he sits on the budget oversight and government...
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we're spending way too much money. as your previous guest was just talking about, we're hitting the debt ceiling, 16 trillion, they want to increase it to 18 trillion. by 2022, it will be 25 trillion the at some point this all comes crashing down. >> we already had the debt ceiling issue during the summer of 2011 being taken to the brink of having our credit ratings. based on the fact that neither side could politically come together. that was all in an effort to try to discredit the president so that they could get him out come november of 2012. now, that doesn't happen. the president has a wide mandate to be back in the hoff. why does the tea party not get that? >> you know obama ran on the fact that he would raise taxes. >>> more democrats were votes in. tea party members lost seats in this election. >> liberals lost seats, too. that's what happens every election. if there had been a great groundswell of effort that we have to raise taxes, we have to implement this huge liberal big spending agenda john boehner would
we're spending way too much money. as your previous guest was just talking about, we're hitting the debt ceiling, 16 trillion, they want to increase it to 18 trillion. by 2022, it will be 25 trillion the at some point this all comes crashing down. >> we already had the debt ceiling issue during the summer of 2011 being taken to the brink of having our credit ratings. based on the fact that neither side could politically come together. that was all in an effort to try to discredit the...
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more than just about obama and romney, it was about socialism and capitalism, spending and cutting, about what kind of role government should have in your life. >> number one is the fiscal cliff. lawmakers saw it coming but didn't bother to pay any attention to it until after the election. had they put politics aside and dealt with it earlier, who knows how strong the u.s. economy would be right now. >>> next, scandal. can you guess who made our list because of bad behavior? questions? anyone have occasional constipation, diarrhea, gas, bloating? yeah. one phillips' colon health probiotic cap each day helps defend against these digestive issues with three strains of good bacteria. approved! [ female announcer ] live the regular life. phillips'. [ female announcer ] live the regular life. to the best vacation sp(all) the gulf! it doesn't matter which of our great states folks visit. mississippi, alabama, louisiana or florida, they're gonna love it. shaul, your alabama hospitality is incredible. thanks, karen. love your mississippi outdoors. i vote for your florida beaches, dawn. bill, this
more than just about obama and romney, it was about socialism and capitalism, spending and cutting, about what kind of role government should have in your life. >> number one is the fiscal cliff. lawmakers saw it coming but didn't bother to pay any attention to it until after the election. had they put politics aside and dealt with it earlier, who knows how strong the u.s. economy would be right now. >>> next, scandal. can you guess who made our list because of bad behavior?...
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about spending and cutting. about what kind of role government should have in your life. >> number one is the fiscal cliff. lawmakers saw it coming, but didn't bother to pay any attention to it, until after the election. had they put politics aside and dealt with it earlier, who knows how strong the u.s. economy would be right now? >>> next, scandal. can you guess who made our list because of bad behavior? well, if it isn't mr. margin. mr. margin? don't be modest, bob. you found a better way to pack a bowling ball. that was ups. and who called ups? you did, bob. i just asked a question. it takes a long time to pack a bowling ball. the last guy pitched more ball packers. but you... you consulted ups. you found a better way. that's logistics. that's margin. find out what else ups knows. i'll do that. you're on a roll. that's funny. i wasn't being funny, bob. i know. ...but he'd wait for her forever, for any reason, and would always be there with the biggest welcome home. for a love this strong, dawn only feeds him
about spending and cutting. about what kind of role government should have in your life. >> number one is the fiscal cliff. lawmakers saw it coming, but didn't bother to pay any attention to it, until after the election. had they put politics aside and dealt with it earlier, who knows how strong the u.s. economy would be right now? >>> next, scandal. can you guess who made our list because of bad behavior? well, if it isn't mr. margin. mr. margin? don't be modest, bob. you found...
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about spending and cutting. about what kind of role government should have in your life. >> number one is the fiscal cliff. lawmakers saw it coming, but didn't bother to pay any attention to it, until after the election. had they put politics aside and dealt with it earlier, who knows how strong the u.s. economy would be right now? >>> next, scanl. can you guess who made our list because of bad behavior? 315 horsepower. what's that in reindeer-power? [ laughs ] [ pencil scratches ] [ male announcer ] chevy's giving more. now through january 2nd, no monthly payments until spring for qualified buyers. get the silverado for 0% apr financing for 60 months plus $1,000 holiday bonus cash. plus trade up for an additional $1,000 trade-in allowance. ♪ ♪ [ male announcer ] everyone deserves the gift of all day pain relief. this season, discover aleve. all day pain relief with just two pills. to the best vacation sp(all) the gulf! this season, discover aleve. it doesn't matter which of our great states folks visit. mis
about spending and cutting. about what kind of role government should have in your life. >> number one is the fiscal cliff. lawmakers saw it coming, but didn't bother to pay any attention to it, until after the election. had they put politics aside and dealt with it earlier, who knows how strong the u.s. economy would be right now? >>> next, scanl. can you guess who made our list because of bad behavior? 315 horsepower. what's that in reindeer-power? [ laughs ] [ pencil scratches...
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more than just about obama and romney, it was about socialism and capitalism, spending and cutting, about what kind of role government should have in your life. >> number one is the fiscal cliff. lawmakers saw it coming but didn't bother to pay any attention to it until after the election. had they put politics aside and dealt with it earlier, who knows how strong the u.s. economy would be right now. >>> next, scandal. can you guess who made our list because of bad behavior? >>> i'm victor blackwell at cnn world headquarters in atlanta. here's what's happening tonight. we're starting with this major christmas storm that's creating big problems right now across the south. look at this. it's a large tornado touching down earlier in mobile, alabama. there are reports of damage and tens of thousands without power. this extreme weather is moving towards the east coast. we'll bring you another update in the next hour. >>> new details tonight in the christmas eve ambush that took the lives of two firefighters. william spangler shot the men to death as they responded to an early-morning fire in w
more than just about obama and romney, it was about socialism and capitalism, spending and cutting, about what kind of role government should have in your life. >> number one is the fiscal cliff. lawmakers saw it coming but didn't bother to pay any attention to it until after the election. had they put politics aside and dealt with it earlier, who knows how strong the u.s. economy would be right now. >>> next, scandal. can you guess who made our list because of bad behavior?...
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heather: simon, response to the part about spending cuts, and what is spending cuts is the obama administration talking about, guaranteed spending cuts? >> they already accepted a trillion dollars in domestic spending cuts in next 10 years. they put on the table additional cuts in medicare and social security not as much as republicans want but clearly they have moved on that. and i also think there will be substantial defense cuts, if we want to make a dent in the deficit. i mean this is the choice that is going to be in front of us. if, we have to do four things if we want to reduce the deficit. we have to get more revenue, we have to cut domestic spending, we have to trim and reform the health care programs in particular of medicare and medicaid and we have to cut defense. if we do all four of those things we can make significant down payment getting deficit under control. if we do some of them, the numbers are not there enough to make as much progress as we want. this is where mark and i agree. over next six to nine months we could see substantial progress towards smart fiscal policy in the
heather: simon, response to the part about spending cuts, and what is spending cuts is the obama administration talking about, guaranteed spending cuts? >> they already accepted a trillion dollars in domestic spending cuts in next 10 years. they put on the table additional cuts in medicare and social security not as much as republicans want but clearly they have moved on that. and i also think there will be substantial defense cuts, if we want to make a dent in the deficit. i mean this is...